Dec 2nd 2016 by i-am-an-fa • 41 Questions • 396 Points
Gabriel & Dresden are a California-based electronic music duo. With over 25 Billboard-charting tracks & remixes including the smash hits “As the Rush Comes,” “Beautiful Things,” “Tracking Treasure Down,” “Dangerous Power“ and “No One On Earth.” They are currently in the midst of a Kickstarter campaign to fund the creation of their first artist album in ten years.
To hear our music and hundreds of hours of live DJ sets, check out our Soundcloud: http://bit.ly/redditgd
Thanks everyone for participating in our first-ever AMA!! We really enjoyed spending the time with you and answering your questions and seeing your stories. This will not be the last one we ever do. So stay tuned!!
Hey, thanks for doing this. You guys have been one of my long-term favorite acts. Not a lot of EDM groups that make music people fall in love to and you guys have always been great about giving back to fans.
I will probably have a few questions if possible, but my first is regarding the structure some of the aesthetics your music / dynamic has. It has always seemed to me that your project is very much like two parts of a whole. When you were apart, listening to you separately was exactly like listening to one half of G&D. I think this comes from each of your background's and how you came up in the scene to some extend, Dave coming from playing clubs and Josh being more formally trained. Even the name "Gabriel & Dresden" has conveyed a sense of almost binary aesthetics. Gabriel has always made me think of the archangel an Dresden of the firebombing of the German city. Can you speak a little to how willfully structured this is, or how organic this all is? Is it just a circumstance of how it came together or is there something intentional and conscious behind this?
Hit some wake turbulence on the descent into Amsterdam.
Wake turbulence is unlike the atmospheric kind, which generally starts off with a gentle rumble and builds up. Wake is the jetwash off the back of an aircraft that expands in spirals away. When an aicraft hits one it's a bit like hitting a brick wall, and in this case from my viewpoint stood at the back of the cabin, I could see it roll about 25 degrees to the right (which is a hell of a lot) as well as shaking violently from left to right.
The pilots described it as 'a bit unpleasant' when I asked them about it after.
We don't think anyone has nailed our dynamic better than this post. Your reddit screen name says it all! Bravo!
This IS just the way we are. We came together organically and that's how the project has always been.
Sounds like this >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu1tywrohyg
For the most part yes, you get the 'Do You Know Who I Am' passengers every now and then, and the people that completely blank your greetings. Just gotta let it go over your head.
THAT'S IT!!! :)
Have you guys ever used a ghost producer? If yes, what was your motovation?
Nope, but they'll make sure we do by the end of the flight.
No. We would never do that, our music is personal. We could never hand any part of that off to anyone.
Can you tell when a passenger will be disruptive by just seeing them? If so describe said person, thank you!
Do you think the old trance sound is coming back? Do you have any plans on bringing back Motorcycle? When are you playing in Atlanta again? :P
Stag do's on a Vegas flights are usually fairly predictable.
The most difficult passengers are usually the most frequent fliers. They know the service down to the dot and will often question if you happen to miss something, or ask for something that we don't offer to them, but we'd have to bend over and give it to them because 'they're our most valued customers'.
1) Yes, we do think the old trance sound is coming back. It's part of the reason we feel so inspired to make a new album. There will be a lot of that inspiration in the music that we're making and plan to make.
2) Yes, we are talking to Jes about making music again and hope she will make an appearance on the album.
3) No plans for Atlanta right now, but when the album is done we're planning on doing a full scale tour of the world.
What is your "customer service" line for "stop being such a douche and leave me the fuck alone and no, we don't have light mayo for your fries you idiot."?
Love you guys. You are part of the reason I've been running a Mother-32 into Soundtoys Echoboy all day! So thanks for that.
What's the best way to get tunes to you guys?
Normally just tell them that we don't carry that on board. We can't really stop them or tell them to go away, because they can't.
They generally get the hint, or if we see them approaching the galley, we'll make our selves busy.
We were recently on a flight that was about half empty. Plenty of open rows in front of ours including the exit rows with more leg room. Is it acceptable for me to ask to move to an open row/seat?
Which city do you guys like the most? :)
Always do it after takeoff, the aircraft is trimmed and adjusted for the weight and balance based on where the people have their seat assigned.
Once in the air it's easily (and automatically) adjusted, so it's fine to move about.
That is a really hard question to ask. We love playing anywhere that people are up for it and excited about the music. And we've seen that pretty much everywhere in the world.
However, we're playing Chicago next week and super excited. Chicago always represents well!
Can't wait to see you guys there!
On the long haul aircraft yes.
All (minus a few) are accessible from a cupboard style door that leads directly into a ladder.
Gonna be amazing. Like it always is!
jesus lord almighty, creator of heaven and earth...of all things seen and unseen, that looks beautiful.
after a few hours crammed into a shitty economy chair that reclines about 3 degrees off bolt upright with some fat fucker draped over half my seat, i would happily pay one of you guys several hundred hard-earned us dollars' worth of the currency of your choice for a couple hours nap time in one of those.
What artists do you enjoy following in the trance scene? What do you think of Will Atkinson?
It is possibly the best part of the job - the bed it a bit hard but it's better that what any of the passengers will get :)
If you look maybe half an hour after we clear away the meal trays, you'll see half the crew shuffling down the aisle clutching blankets.
Rich Solarstone. We really like him a lot and what he's doing with the scene. We love that he cares about melody and emotion and that he knows how to throw a good party and run a great label that has quite a few remarkable artists.
My wife pokes fun at me for listening to EDM, but then we heard your song in Maze Runner, and I poked fun at her. Who was it from the movie production team that contacted you to use the song in the movie and how had they heard your song?
Only reason we had to kick someone off is because she was too pregnant to fly, and had gone past at least 2 people who should've noted it before hand.
Disruptive passengers usually pipe down when (or if) we unleash the Captain.
The music director for Maze Runner had been a fan of As The Rush Comes for many years and was always trying to think of a way of incorporating it into a film. We think he picked the right movie to use it in.
How has being bay area-based influenced your productions?
Being based in the Bay Area means that you are going to be exposed to many kinds of music. There have always been many small scenes rather than the mega-club mentality. Drum & Bass, House and IDM have all seen popularity explosions over the years. Not to mention, Burning Man, which Josh has been going to since the 1990s and had a huge effect on him and how he hears music.
Are you a fan of the Dresden Files?
Always love it when passengers give us some chocolates, or come in for a chat.
If you every want to chat to us, come in about an hour after we clear away the meals on long haul - we're usually not doing much around then :)
No, not really.
As a large passenger (6'5", 320 lbs), I try to be courteous to both staff and fellow passengers. What can I do (besides lose weight...pretend I am a professional bodyguard) to make the flight better for all involved?
Thank you for the reply! Looking forward to the album, I'll opt for the advisory board on Kickstarter so maybe I'll finally learn a thing or two about production (after about 8 years or so on my own).
Honestly there isn't much I'm afraid... an aisle seat or an exit row would be more beneficial to you.
You're very welcome and thank you for your support!!
I have heard that flight attendants get worked to death and possibly mistreated by airlines. Has this been your experience?
Hey guys, saw your classics OTC at Ruby Skye a year ago and it was a major influence in my exploration of trance- thanks for being awesome!
2 questions- 1st off, have you looked into Neptune Project's Amplifyd Music project / will you be looking to use a platform like that to push your new album over the conventional systems?
2nd, a lot of trance artists have been incorporating more and more classic songs in their sets the last few years- do you anticipate your album continuing that trend of pursuing older types of sounds? Specifically, do you anticipate looking to remix older tracks to bring them back to the forefront of people's minds, or are you expecting to try to create new tracks that incorporate the fundamental elements of the classics?
Side note, any chance at another classics OTC in the Bay? Maybe some NYE shenanigans? Are you both still based in Oakland?
Some airlines do.
Mine doesn't - we certainly get worked hard, and I look at my roster and think "how can that be legal?" but there is an overriding sense to me that we are cared about from the airline, and some (ryanair) don't give you that security.
Glad you had a great time at our 7 hour show at Ruby Skye last year!!
We have not really given much thought to the distribution of our album outside of the Kickstarter project yet. Amplifyd Music does look like an interesting platform. We are going to consider many avenues before choosing one.
As for the recording of the new album, we plan on writing and producing new original songs and not do updated versions of classics. That being said, we've been inspired by listening to a lot of the classics from the 90's and 00's and that sort of influence will more than likely find it's place with us.
I once heard to never drink the coffee because the non-bottled water in planes is not very sanitary. Is that true?
How did you guys manage to stay together for so long? What does each of you bring to the table?
Potable water isn't the greatest, but then again neither is airline coffee.
The key to any relationship is being flexible and having an open mind and also to never forget to communicate.
It’s difficult sometimes to know exactly what each of us brings to the table at any specific moment because things are always unpredictable in the music process. In general it goes something like this: Josh: Music training, sound design and engineering skills Dave:DJ-ing since the 1980s, A&R and radio programming.
But just like our DJing, we've both learned so many tricks from one another over the years the lines have gotten so blurry as to who does what. And that's what makes it fun for us now.
Have you worked for multiple airlines? If so, what did you like about one vs. the other?
For someone like me who has tried to like electronic music several times without success, what songs would you recommend that are very popular/likeable?
I've only worked for one, and it's a major airline so I'm no really worked as hard as the lo-cost carriers, but each has their unique challenges.
Andain - Beautiful Things (Gabriel & Dresden Remix) - We have heard from a lot of people over the years who don't like electronic music but love this song. Try it out. If not that maybe our song Dangerous Power.
You can find both of them in here: http://bit.ly/redditgd
Did you have any type of near-miss or scary incidents that the crew all knew about, but didn't tell the passengers to keep them calm?
Thanks for this AMA session! :) I have two (OK, THREE) 4 questions:
Have you ever ghostwritten for somebody? I mean ghostwritten and not being credited officially. Of course there is no need to call exact names. :)
Any chance for G&D Essential Mix 2017?
Are you often recognized by people when traveling / going to the mall? Have you been released without fine by trance fan policeman after exceeding speed limit? Is there some story like that? :D
Can you briefly describe your typical day when you work on music? :)
P.S. WE LOVE YA!!! And we are excited about future of your music! Thank you guys!
I was taking off out of Frankfurt last week actually and my door seal was making a horrific hissing noise. The only real way of finding out whether it was leaking was to get above the safe altitude. Turns out it was fine and the seal was probably just a bit wet. Apart from that, nothing much.
Thanks for the kind words!!
No. We have never ghost written for anyone else. It just does not seem like something we'd like to do.
We love doing Essential Mixes. Hopefully once the album is out we will get asked by the grand Poobah of dance, Pete Tong. We would surely accept.
We've been recognized a few times out in the world over the years but not a huge amount. One time Dave was recognized by an immigrations officer coming back to America. But there aren't any really stories of us getting over on the law because of who we are.
A typical day for us starts around 9am. We like to work during the day and are best in the mornings. That's when the solid ideas come out, or fix the problems that were created the day before. Usually by 12 or 1 we are ready for a lunch break and maybe a short walk through nature and then it's time to get back to work. We will usually work until around 5 or 6 until our ears hurt or we just can't focus any longer. You never want to push it because once you're done, you're done. We'd rather save it for the next day when our ears and minds are fresh.
My sister wants to be a flight attendant, and her question is which airline do you think treats their air hostess the worst? Also, what is the minimum height to be a flight attendant?
Will you come to Australia for any extended sets and will there be any more Winter Kills?
Minimum height is usually about 5 foot.
Try to avoid low coast airlines if you don't want to work really hard, but the reality is, you'll get worked hard and have to miss out on special occasions regardless of what airline you join.
- We've hoped to bring Classics Only to all the Australian cities but thus far we've not been able to do so.
Once the new album is made and released, we are planning to tour the world for it. Hopefully an Australian promoter will pick up the tour because we've really missed playing down under. We've never actually done a club tour of AU before, only a festival and a multi act bill in large venues. We think getting more intimate in Australia would be really fun.
- At the present time, Winter Kills is on hiatus but Meredith Call, who is the vocalist for the project, will be working with us on our new album.
What route has the worst people? I have asked flight attendants this and they are all in agreement on a certain city. I don't want to bias you, so I will wait for your answer.
How often do you guys on average end up scrapping a song or melody, and why?
Just wanted to say thanks for the AMA guys. As the rush comes is still one of my all time favourite trance songs
West African cities.
It's more the culture than anything, but when people click and hiss at you to attract attention, it pisses me off.
They also buy ALL the duty free, usually to make a statement about how much money they have.
Could you rephrase the question? We are not sure what you mean by "scrapping"
Are there any hidden parachutes on board any flight? Thanks!
WOW! never thought I`d hear from you guys again!!
The two tracks that I really love from you guys was your remix of Southern Sun and Arcadia.
I was a young lad back at the peak of your career and never really got that chance to see you guys. Nowadays, after saving up Ive finally got myself a pretty decent computer and want to give producing music a try...and maybe become world class DJ (in my dreams)
My question would be, Are you going to release samples and stems of from old productions? OR are they already around? (show me the way?)
I would love to get my hands on them and try take me back to those good old days with my own style and process.
cheers G&D! :)
What's the worst experience you've had as a flight attendant?
uhm, if I may, the same two songs that got me on the G&D brand, Arcadia and Southern Sun? :)
Cleaning up vomit, 4am, can hardly keep my eyes open in the back of an airbus during turblulence.
A boeing is very solid during turbulence, however an airbus tends to sway about, especially at the back - makes a lot of people sick.
you're in luck. provide your email address. :)
Have you had any weird passengers? e.g. Like get naked in front of everyone weird.
Great choices there. Have you considered releasing either?
Nope, you get the people drumming their bodies quite a bit, never quite worked that one out.
That's not our choice to make unfortunately. We signed As The Rush Comes to a major label and they are the ones who choose what gets released and what doesn't. Another one of the reasons why we're doing a Kickstarter to make a new album. It gives us the freedom to do what we want with the music we make. :)
Okay, as a flight attendant is it true that you guys have to carry around a spare uniform around with you in case one gets dirty?
As I see you're still answering questions, I'd like to know a few things:
- Any plan at all ever to come to Israel? I know you guys tour pretty much in the US only lately, but that would be amazing!
- What made you decide to start remixing songs that would seem to be unremixable? I don't hear many "big name" artists dare (if that's the right word?) to remix the Beatles, or hark back to 80's classics such as 99 Luftbaloons and Depeche Mode. I LOVE what you guys do with songs like that, and it gives me a new appreciation for them and for you guys!
- Favorite "Gives you the feels"?
Can't wait for the new album BTW!
I carry a spare shirt on short haul, long haul I carry a fresh uniform around with me. Cos plane smell is nasty.
We would love to play Israel. However, we've never been asked to. If and when we get asked, we will surely say "yes"!!
We don't really ever think of something as being un-remixable. We think about whether or not we like the song. Then we accept the challenge and get to work.
The Feels 8 is Dave's favorite one because of the ride it takes him on. :)
Have you ever hit a passenger with the cart? I've been hit multiple times. Twice by the Same attendant.
I love the bassline on that thing. its so deep.
Yeah, but they usually put they're legs in front of a 300lb cart that I can't see the other side of.
What are your hours? Like do you work from 8:00am until 8:00pm or something like that? And how many places do you travel to in one day?
What software do you use?
We can hit 3 places in one day. If we worked 8am - 8pm I'd probably quit.
Hours are 24/7, 365 days a year with no pattern to follow.
We use a combination of Ableton and Logic
Ableton for sound design and creating ideas and Logic for arrangement and mixdown.
Sometimes we will make full tracks in either DAW.
Do you have to eat the same rubbish as the passengers or do you get treated to something nicer?
You down with OPP?
We're treated to something generally a bit worse on long haul (think school lunch sandwiches) so I often go for the business/first class food.
Shorthaul we'd get the equivalent to a long haul economy meal.
Yeah, you know me.
What's the accommodation like when you're between work shifts?
Do you get time to explore any of the places you stop in or is it generally just airport hotels and then back to work?
What's the nicest thing a passenger has done for you?
What's the best route to take to get your music heard as a new artist?
The accommodation is generally pretty good. We have to have quite a few contractual agreements met which only come in 4/5* hotels. All our hotels are downtown too, so away from the airport.
We generally get a minimum of 24 hours in a destination, so if you plan ahead and hit the ground running you can get a decent amount of stuff done.
My usual plan for a 24 hour stop is to have a nap, have a wander and stock up on stuff you can only get in that destination before heading out for dinner with the crew.
We can spend up to 8 nights in a few destinations though, that's when it turns into a holiday and you start bringing friends/family along on buddy tickets.
The best way we have ever found to be heard is to try and reach out to established DJ's and or A&R people and get their feedback. This does not mean steal an email list and spam the entire list. Do your research as to what DJ or record label might actually like your track and write a personal email to them asking for them to listen and give you feedback. If you send out 20 emails you're bound to get at least 2-3 back. And if your music is really good, you might be on your way to being heard.
Also, put your music on Soundcloud and YouTube and hope for the best.
When are you playing Ultra next? I feel like that's the only festival that really matters for an artist's long term career, and you haven't been on the lineup in years. What gives?? You guys are amazing!
We have not been asked to play Ultra in some time. We would love to play Ultra, we think it's a great festival! Hopefully This year or next year we can be a part of it!
What's your favorite joke from Airplane! the movie?
Follow up, as far as AMAs go, are you nervous? First time?
Hey guys amazing you're doing this. Been a fan since the days of bloom. Here are some questions
- when are you going to do remixes of the 80's songs again. I really loved those.
- what do you think of EDM nowadays and awesome DJs (sarcasm) like Guetta,Avicii and Calvin Harris?
- why did you break up back then?
- Josh, are your own projects coming back (Andain, Winter Kills,etc)?
- you guys ever thought to get back together with Jess and bring back motorcycle?
I'm a fan of the "they have instruments" joke.
I'm a redditor, this is just a throwaway ;)
We love making them as much as you love listening to them. Once we get done with the album we plan on making more. We have so many remix parts, stems and acappellas from the 80's now, we can't wait to mess around with some of them!
As we've said in a different question, we're not huge fans of the typical EDM sound. A lot of it feels very contrived and over produced to us.
We made music together in a studio for 7 years straight. Every day we were together. Just like in any relationship, sometimes you need time apart to get perspective on it. Which is what we did. Now we're back together and stronger than ever.
Andain currently has no plans, but we are planning on asking Mavie to sing on the new album. We love her. Winter Kills, nothing new planned, but Meredith Call, who sang on that project, is going to work on the new album.
Yes, we have asked Jes to join us on the new album. Let's see what she says...
No, I've been nervous lots of times.
Do you still get rattled by turbulence? And have you experienced flying with a passenger that overacts on every little turbulence?
I quite enjoy turbulence. I only ever feel a little bit queezy if I'm doing a service during some nasty bumps, going up and down with the trolley and pouring drinks isn't pleasant.
Passengers love to exaggerate, often telling me how bad the turbulence was when it wasn't. I'm usually like, "Yeah, I was on the plane with you."
Why did i get cut off on my last flight!? first of all i was in first-class it was a short flight NY to ft. lauderdale i only had 4 drinks and i did not make a peep the entire flight. i was alone so i literally did not speak a word except to order drinks, i didn't even get up to go to the bathroom! is this like a policy? was it bc the flight was so short?
Down to the FA's really. I usually tell them to slow down, or give them water and explain to them that if they're ok in about half an hour, I'll give them another drink.
About what percentage of people would you guess actually pay attention to your beginning speech about where everything is i.e. Exits, O2 masks, etc?
Depends on the route, but on the whole - 10-15%
What can we do to get moved up to a first or business class seat if they are open?
Not much :( Management don't like it when we upgrade people.
Will have done around 100 segments by year's end. Do you genuinely think of us as good customers or pathetic people who have to live in hotels?
Never have hung out with crew after work. How would I go about this (if at all possible.)
How much discretion do you have with last minute upgrades or giving away booze? Under what conditions would you do so?
I don't often carry an opinion to be honest.
It'd be quite difficult to squeeze the hotel we stay in out of us, as we can't say for security reasons.
Firing up tinder in an airport will no doubt get you FA's.
My wife wants to fly to Ireland next year for our anniversary. DTW being the departure, not sure about where we will be on layover or landing in country. I have only flown once and to be quite honest, I don't like airplanes (helicopters though Im always game for). Any advice on how to get through such a long flight without making a complete fool of myself?
If you sit towards the middle, it's less likely to be bumpy.
Fasten your seatbelt over your blanket so we don't have to wake you to check.
Bring the FA's some chocolates will get you some kudos and presents in return.
Enjoy the movies!
Is it true that stewardesses crop dust the plane regularly?
It's true that everyone get's very gassy on board, but I don't often crop dust. Can't speak for other flight attendants though.
How do you feel about the touchy-feely news stories that talk about how an airline went the extra mile for someone, or something? Are those just a ploy to soften the industry image, or do nice things really happen that frequently?
I quite often go the extra miles for people who are nice.
Although sometimes plating an economy meal in some first class china makes all the difference.
Discounts in the most random of places (I always ask) and free flights :D