Dec 26th 2017 by AdultEnuretic • 54 Questions • 51 Points
Greetings everyone my name is Ian and 10 years ago next month I flew home from Beijing on BA 38 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38).
This came up during the recent AMA from a flight attendant so here I am AMA.
Here's the BBC article. There is an interview linked on the right hand side but it appears that the video is lost in RealPlayer hell.
and here's me now hiding from my in laws post Christmas.
Edit: Just taking a little break to watch the Snow Bears show on BBC 1 and the mandatory socialising. I'll be back in an hour or so to answer more questions.
Edit 2: I'm back now
Edit 3: Thanks everyone it's been fun. I'm going to go to sleep now but I'll check back tomorrow in case there are any urgent burning questions left over.
How supportive have your family and friends been?
When bedwetting occurs, do have realistic dreams about urinating? Or do you just wake up feeling wet/warm?
Has this affected your quality of sleep?
How do you wash the cloth diapers?
Do you / have you used cloth diapers for your two children?
What stunts have you turned down as too dangerous?
ATC checking in. I was 4 months into my training at Heathrow as a young trainee ATC when I walked back upstairs from a break and was greeted to the sight of the BAW 777 coming over the fence and crashing. I probably had the best view of anyone of your near death experience! Up in the tower at first we thought the pilot was being a smart arse and trying to do a short landing to come off at one of the early exits, then it dawned on the controller in charge of that runway that shit was about to get real. There’s a good YouTube video of the ATC tape of my former colleague doing a fantastic job of co-ordinating the emergency. In it you will even hear the pilot calling the mayday and uses the incorrect call sign, he used the call sign BA use in their simulator when they PRACTICE emergencies, so they literally went into “auto pilot” mode.
It actually was a blessing that the plane landed short of the runway and in the grass, which was soft from the perpetual English rain, as it’s believed the runway surface may have caused a fire on impact. Having low amounts of jet fuel left in the tanks after a long flight also probably decreased the likelihood of fire.
10 years later, I have never seen anything like it in my career as an ATC, and I don’t wish to. The whole tower staff on duty were deeply affected for days afterwards but everyone involved from ATC, pilots, crew, ground staff, emergency services did an amazing job and turned a potential disaster into a Very British Plane Crash which caused some minor disruption, some grumbling about delays, and was mostly forgotten by the media in a matter of days.
How did it affect you afterwards? I see your sense of humour is still intact but did you have any PTSD or similar? I’m sure I’m not alone as an ATC/Pilot that has dreams about crashes or emergencies, some of which are based on my memories of your crash.
Thanks for doing this AMA
My wife is supportive, my kids are mostly too young to care. My mother and mother in law know, and are generally supportive (just don't care really). None of my friends know.
Edit: I somehow missed most of the questions in the post.
I sometimes have dreams of peeing out wetting myself, usually i just wake up wet. I think the dreams are incidental to what's happening, rather than causing it.
It used to effect my sleep. I was always worried about leaking, and getting my wife wet. I got better diapers, and now leaks are very rare, so it isn't a problem. However, my sleep patterns are garbage in general. I've got terrible insomnia, and when I do sleep, I can't be awoken for anything. I regularly sleep through alarm, thunderstorms, earthquakes, my wife shaking me to get me up. I sleep like I'm dead.
I switched back from cloth, to disposable, for myself. When I was using them, I had to was then every 3rd day (or every third wet morning). I had to double up to be absorbent enough to be sure they wouldn't leak, and I couldn't reasonably way more than 6 at once, and get them clean.
We did/do use cloth for our sons. One is 5 now, and out of diapers, the other is one, and decidedly in them.
I haven't. Effectively there's always a way to make it doable.
You probably had it worse as you could see how bad it was. I was listening to a show called what goes up might come down. Look it up, it's an after dinner speech by an ex ATC man.
Did you enjoy doing voice acting for Fallout New Vegas? How different was that for you than doing a more traditional role?
I was so glad to hear there was no fatalities in this crash, mostly due to the pilots expert crash landing. This is one of my favourite "Air Crash Investigations", did you see the episode?
The complexity of sequence of events that made the engines fail and the length the investigation teams went to try to reproduce the problem was good work all round.
Overall, yes. I've been unemployed for quite some time, and I've struggled with some depression, but not related to the bedwetting.
I didn't. Lots of people mentioned to me that they saw it but I kinda knew the ending.
What freaks me out about a crash landing is being trapped in a burning aircraft by passengers gathering their luggage. What was your reaction to other passenger's instincts to gather luggage rather than self survival?
It definitely can, and it probably did.
I was having occasional episodes (every few months, to maybe twice a month at worst), and then right around my 30th birthday, I will my job, moved 1,000 Mike's to go back to grad school, and during my first semester I had a cancer scare. That kicked me back into regular wetting (several times a week). Then a few years later, I had a major medical emergency, with a large blood clot, and lots of embolisms, and the bedwetting kicked up again, to most nights.
I once had to double nz actor Kevin Smith who played Ares, god of war on Xena. I was required to wear a fake beard and mustache and strap my tits down. I still have pics. I make kind of a hot guy.
My friend and I shared a look of "Seriously?!" and then used their delay to get the hell off the plane.
I didn't even grab my jumper. January on a runway at Heathrow in a t-shirt is not a warm experience. On the plus side Russia and China was colder so I was somewhat acclimatised.
Mine was flatter but intact.
It took a few days before they could extract it from the wreckage and send it back in a taxi.
Either having extensive experience in one thing - martial arts, gymnastics, motocross etc etc or a little in a couple is really helpful.
Being a good listener, a quick study and intuitive also makes it much easier for someone to hire you and then hire you again.
To be fair I actually got my friends luggage first but her clothes don't fit me so I swapped back.
would you like to be cast more as an actress, or do you like primarily being working as a stuntwoman?
Definitely. Before Thor, I hadn't been a stunt double in 8 years. I love it all but acting (doing my own stunts of course) and most recently directing are taking precedence.
Have you ever stabbed anyone with a movie prop?
I play all three. I have about twice as many hours on my warlock as my other two, and I consider it my main, but I have almost 700 hours already, so i have 3 fully developed characters.
A 2 week holiday anywhere in the world for myself and 3 friends with business class flights.
5 years of gold level membership in the executive club.
Most importantly I got to go down the evacuation slide.
We already risk life and limb at times, that happens without awards being present. I used to be pretty reserved about it all - I love the hidden wonder, movie magic of it all and was happy to not have the spot light on our side of the biz. However, these day the behind the scenes are so exposed that's gone out the window and o be honest with so many other categories getting recognition - its painful that stunts isn't among them. So many movies would stand naked and soulless with the action removed. Its not just about risking life and limb its about the magic the stunt department brings to movies.
What's worse is the plane was listing to the right so the slide wasn't as steep as it should be. I didn't think asking to go back and try the other side was a great idea though.
To clarify, I have almost 700 hours in D2. I was around 2k in D1.
I'm painfully aware of all the D2 shortcomings. V I'm one of those that Max light in a couple days, and have nothing to do.
Tracker Peg. We had a whole backstory for her and the other Trackers - kind of a fucked up love story actually. And there was a big fight but we never shoot it.
Honestly the Eververse doesn't really bother me. I've never bought a single piece of silver, and it doesn't affect game progression, so I think it's mostly harmless from a game play perspective. I don't think it's good to have RNG on in-game purchase, but that gambling angle is separate.
Eververse has been around continuously since TTK, so I would definitely say it predates the BF2 debacle. I thought Eververse was worse in D1 because there was no route to Eververse hear, except to pony up the plastic. At least D2 has the bright engrams, so you can grind for it if you want.
To be able to belt out a tune like Adele.
Or fly. Seems like it might feel the same.
Trans-Siberian railway from England to China.
Sharting? No, not really.
Hmmm..... I loved shooting the Res Dogs, around the table scene. It was my first real taste as an actor, of bouncing off other actors. It is just like when a fight goes right.
Yeah I got lost in the trail of replies. The compensation holidays were to Antigua and then India.
They tend to go for Bambinos-brand diapers, and usually putting them on at night, to wear until mid-day.
Hi Zoe! Never been in time for an AMA before! I love your work in QT's films! What is he like as a director, and what was the most fun you had on a film of his?
Well, 14 hours in a single diaper, and anybody is going to start to smell.
I'm going to go out on a limb here ... Your friends are wearing diapers at night, to look "cool". You know what brand they wear specifically. It happens to be an AB/DL brand. When diapers are a game, people take the hygiene less seriously.
Me either - my first time!
QT is awesome, like a very tall, very brilliant kid in a candy store. A passionate, excitable, mischievous, meticulous, vivacious kid in a candy store. He's truly one of a kind.
Sadly not as fun as I would have expected :(
Loved the stunt work in Death Proof! That roof scene was insane. You really need for acting roles. And not so short like Hateful Eight.
Something about it being too dangerous. Health and Safety gone mad I tell you.
As you get older, what are you becoming more and more afraid of?
Did you try to put on the oxygen masks? or did you just bs right out of there?
I almost did, the impact dropped them but something in my mind kicked in and reminded me that it wasn't going to be much use on the ground.
Are there any folks in the industry (actors, directors , cinematographers,etc ) that you'd love to work with or just really admire ?
But you can't assist others until your own mask is on!
Heaps. Catherine Hadwick, Kathryn Bigalow, Paul Fieg, more with Rosario Dawson, Heidi Moneymaker, KT Tunstall, more with Taika, more with QT, Dennis Villeneuve (sp?), Dante Harper, Emily Blunt, Chad Stahelski, Dave Chappelle..... shit this could take the full hour.
I like to think I led by example and made my way swiftly to the door.
If you could make one rule that everyone had to follow, what rule would you make?
Anybody act stupid while evacuating, like trying to retreive thier overhrad baggage or was it all for the door
Holy crap.... playing god much? Um.... We must all take responsibility for what happens in our lives. Always ask, what could I do differently to get a more ideal outcome.
Or always spread butter ALL the way to the edges of the toast.
Far far too many.
Has there ever been a stunt that really made you nervous before doing?
Were people panicked at all, or just sorta confused and shaken up?
Most of them. Even if its not dangerous - theres always performance anxiety!
A mix of everything. I think confused and shaken up is the most common expression I saw that day.
did it crash when it was supposed to be landing at the airport, or during the normal flight?
But I have been told Im more like Tony Stark
Right at the end. Another hundred meters or so and we would have made it to the runway.
What's your method of choice for cleaning red wine stains out of a carpet?
Did this cause a fear of flying for you, or someone close to you?
Did you have a concern for your life?
Did the other passengers reactions make it harder to stay calm?
No I still fly now whenever I can and look forward to it.
Not at all. I was oblivious to the whole thing so by the time I knew it could have been worse it was over so nothing to be scared about.
The other passengers stopping to get their bags before leaving just gave me a clear path to the exit so I didn't spend a long time stuck inside.
My sister refuses to be on the same plane as me now. I like to think I've got a proven track record and everyone else is just untested.
I guess you figured "I've been in one plane crash, statistically, what're the chances it'll happen again?"
edit: yes, I know thats not actually how statistics work.
Meeting people who were making a living out of flying, flipping and kicking! I was already doing all that and the thought of getting paid and having it bean all day everyday thing......? Whats not to get excited about!
There was a guy on the flight who claimed it was his 4th or 5th plane crash and had also been in a helicopter one.
I treat it as there's nothing I can do about it so why worry. Plus each flight includes an entry in the prize draw for more free flights.
Were you ever asked to do something you thought to dangerous? And the obligatory war stories, have you been hurt?
Plot twist: that guy was the pilot.
If ever I haven't trusted the set up - I hope I am surrounded by professionals that are wise and cool enough to have that discussion 0 often it just takes minor tweaks to taylor the gag to the person performing it.
Twice I have had serious injuries, once I thought I was invincible and didn't trust my boss and those wiser and more experienced,. The second time, I didn't trust my instinct and question my boss when I should have.
Nah the pilot was a guy known in the industry as Perfect Pete.....
Do you have any recommendations on foods to eat when recovering from injuries?
Wow thanks for the answer! One more question if I may:
What did the process after the crash look like? You got off the plane. What happened then until you got home?
Not sure I would call this a recommendation but my boyfriend just reminded me that on Kill Bll after I was injured, they kept me through the end. In Mexico, to drown my injury sorrows, when everyone left for work (at 7am) and I couldn't go, I would put on my togs (bathing suit) and my vacuum sealed plastic arm cast protector, jump in the pool and order chicken quesadillas and a recurring jug of margaritas. Not sure it helped my wrist but im convinced it made me feel better.
We walked across the grass to a guy who was gathering up passengers without getting close himself. From there we were bussed to the terminal and had to chat with the police as they were immediately investigating it.
While I was chatting with them ("Are you okay?", "Yup", "Seriously?!") the border force were determining if we had the right to enter the country. I was lucky as I had my passport in my pocket. Those who didn't (like my friend) were asked questions to determine if they were actually resident in the UK or had permission to enter.
After that we were moved to the 1st class lounge to be held there till we were ready to go. Didn't stay long as they had cleared the alcohol away and turned all the TVs off.
After my friend and I met back up we got out and met up with her parents who had come to collect us and while walking back to their car a journalist for the BBC pounced on us in the car park for an interview.
what's something that most audiences don't notice but stunt people do in watching stunts in movies?
What an eventful day. Shame the booze went(probably for the better now that I think of it).
Thanks for the answers!
New techniques. I am often rewinding stuff when Im blown away to see if its done practically or not
Well it gave me plenty to talk about on the date I had arranged for 2 days later. Certainly impressed her enough that she stuck around long enough for me to marry her.
I've never understood it, I've always thought it would be a good deal to lose my luggage. In a crash. It's just a bag full of sudoku and twizzlers. But when I go to file the claim, suddenly my $500 designer bag was full of cash, new laptop, cell phone, and lots of expensive jewelry.
I could easily have claimed for a new laptop and there would have been no questions asked.
Curse my honesty.
I'm a proud Dad to an 8-year-old Roller Derby player. She was inspired by seeing Derby played locally, but has also recently seen Whip It. She had her first 10-point jam just this last week!
What advice can you give someone her age on developing resilience, bravery, or further bad-assery?
Did you get your bag back eventually? I would be scared of getting off without my phone / passport / wallet / medication at least. I guess all the other stuff I could replace easily.
Thats awesome! I mean, it seems like shes on the right track!
Check in with heraelf on the reg, is she loving what she is doing, who she is surrounded by, is she loving the effect she is having on others - if not what can she do to make it so - as much as poss a soften as poss!
Passport was in my pocket.
Wallet was in my bag so I had to cancel all the cards in it.
Phone was an old Nokia brick so I left it at home.
Hi, Zoe! Huge fan of your work. Is there anything you're doing that's upcoming that you're really excited about? Thanks :)
As I recall from the news reports it had been a totally normal flight right up until the last few seconds.
1. When did you realize that something had gone wrong? 2. Describe the impact and the first few seconds following. Were people more stunned or was there a sense of panic?
Thanks very much! I have just started directing this year - stoked! Keep an eye out first quarter of next year for a little number that I directed with Rosario Dawson as my lead! Also I have three features and two TV shows, one scripted one not, that I hope to get a fire under next year. I would love any and all support I can get - so fingers crossed! Thanks!
I figured it was a rough landing. I just wasn't sure how rough.
There was some sense of concern. I think if you could see out a window you would have had a much better idea what was happening.
There were some people crying once we got off the plane and there were the people who stopped to get their hand luggage and a few people shouting at the crew.
The cabin crew was fantastic they got us all off quickly and safely.
Fell in love with the Kiwi accent when I saw you in Death Proof. Was wondering besides clashing knuckles and moving fast, what do you do on your off time? Stuff for fun just for you?
Thank you for running an AMA
Wow. Just read the article. It seems like a the problem wasn't apparent until the very end of the flight. Did the crew have time to tell the passengers anything? Did you know the plane was going in for a hard landing before it happened?
Another question I had for any pilots or anyone with knowledge about aircraft: how would water get into the fuel lines? Isn't water a contaminant in a fuel system?
We didn't even get a call to brace. I remember looking out the window (across 3 seats because I was in the middle block) thinking we were coming down a little steep. I also heard a motor adjusting something which could have been either the flaps or landing gear as the pilot was doing his best to get maximum glide time.
The sad truth is I thought we'd come down a bit hard and then gone off the side of the runway. It wasn't until we got the call to evacuate and I went down the slide to be treated to the view of our undercarriage in the distance and half an engine leaking fluid that I realised just how bad it was.
I was sitting 7 or so rows back from the wing exit and I was the second person down the slide.
In the distance there was a man in a high vis jacket waving for us to head that way so off I set. I was also motivated by the smoker who on getting out of the plane and standing next to the engine decided that then was the time to light up.
What was the process for you like from landing to getting back home? More importantly did you get a lottery ticket on your way back?
We arent allowed at the place we stay. (sad face) But my first ever Cat's name was Negative. Mum thought it was a great name because it was black and white.
It had a bad attitude.
I actually wish I had. The guy in the bank suggested it, I was in there cancelling my cards as they were still in the plane.
How does it feel to know you can kick ass and to do so in such well received projects and films?
Would you credit your survival to the fact that you had your tray table up and your seat back in the full of right position?
More that the person in front did. If that had been reclined I could easily have smashed my head into the back of it.
That was sitting safely at home.
Let's be real, it doesn't matter where a Nokia phone is sitting, it's always safe.
Mine were never sexual just unpleasant.
Fuck that guy and the lives he has tarnished.
No kidding I found it recently, battery still holds a charge.
How do people react when you tell them about this? Is it a lot of sympathy, or shock, or disbelief? Seems like such an interesting conversation piece.
I deeply dislike favourite questions! I find they make my mind go numb and start emanating a constant dull ringing sound.
Depends on the person. Work colleagues who travel a lot are jealous of the gold card, now sadly expired. Most people start out concerned then get jealous over the holidays.
What did having the gold card get you?
It used to be blue - but I think that was just cause t was reserved for the boys. Now I like sunny oranges.
Use of the first class lounge and check in desk no matter what ticket class I bought. This along with the fast lane in security was what I used the most.
Priority upgrades though I can't say I ever got one.
Priority boarding. Handy when the flight is busy and you want to be sure you can stow your hand luggage but otherwise why would I want to see on a plane longer?
Did you and the other affected persons got compensation from the air company?
I managed to get 2 holidays out of them. I was travelling with a friend and I took her, her boyfriend and my significant other on my compensation holiday and she then did the same for me.
I also got a new camera and replacement mp3 player as mine were tragically "destroyed".
Do you have an opinion of the 10 passengers that decided to file the lawsuit a year later for $1 million each? Were you ever contacted about it?
I was asked to be a witness for Boeing though it never went that far that they needed me.
I was perfectly happy with the compensation I received and while sure a big pile of money would have been nice I genuinely couldn't claim that it had such an effect on me that I would require that much money.
I wish. With me frequent flyer card I'm sure it appears whenever I check in. I once got bumped to business on a flight to Texas which was great I was sitting there watching The Revenant and realised I had a massive grin on my face while Leo was being eaten by a bear. Must have been a little off putting for anyone walking past.
Firstly this is going to sound weird but this is one of my “favourite” crashes. I for one reason or another enjoy reading up on plane crashes and I’ve always enjoyed the story of this one. Anyway my question is, what was your first thought after impact? Did you initially sense something was wrong or was there a sort of “holy shit we just crashed” moment?
"That was a rough landing, did we go off the side of the runway?"
As it happens it's my favourite crash as well.
What was your reaction to looking at the plane when you got out?
Well bugger me.
Very glad you made it through that traumatic experience. Did it go in slow-mo for you crashing? How fast did it feel? When you were falling, what were your thoughts when all of this was going on when you were going down? Are you more aware and safe how when you travel to fly? And lastly, did you see anyone overly panic or pass out through being scared or panic? Thanks.
I always read the safety card and check where my exit is. And I do pay attention to the cabin crew when they do their safety briefing in case they sneak something new in I should know about.
Spoiler alert: They haven't yet.
When the plane was landing i assume you were sitting right? So does it hurt and how big is the impact to the insides of the aeroplane?
For this one I have to assume it was about as gentle as it can be and still be a crash landing. I was sitting and wearing my seat belt. The most pain was from my hand being flung forwards into the seat in front.
I took my friends to Antigua. We learned to S.C.U.B.A. dive and drank a vast quantity to rum.
My friend took us on a tour of India.
How long were you kept in the airport afterwards? Did you need to be interviewed by anyone and how soon did the media try to get at you?
It was a few hours to get processed past the police and immigration.
After that we got jumped on by the BBC as we walked through the carpark telling my friends parents about it.
I also got the local papers and the radio calling me from the next day. I'd love to know for sure where they got my contact details from.
What was the first thing your family said when you came back?
I called in at my parents house on my way home and my dad greeted me with "Saw you on TV"
My sister had to be sent home from work because she was panicking having seen the news. It was a bit pathetic on her part because she didn't actually know I was on that flight she just assumed I was.
My cat just looked at me expecting food.
What was your first distinction that made you realise something was wrong?
The grumbling noise of soil against the fuselage.